Ipswich Residents surprised by a complete new Cornhill design

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    New vision for Ipswich Cornhill brings sculpture and water feature to site

    This is the bold new look that is set to be created at Ipswich Cornhill next year after the views of the public – and expert bodies – were taken into account.

    A new modern sculpture is to be installed along with a water feature in front of the former Grimwade’s store – but proposals to level the major part of the Cornhill have been dropped.

    The new plans were drawn up after a widespread consultation by the Ipswich Vision partnerships last year showed that a majority of people and businesses wanted to see the town centre square improved.

    However, some details met with opposition, including the proposed levelling of the Cornhill by use of a large ramp and a large tower.

    If the go-ahead is given the tendering process will follow and construction work will start next January with completion due by Christmas 2018.

    Further consultation will take place through the planning process. An application has been made and will be registered next week.

    There will not be another full public consultation on the same lines as that last year because the views of people who took part in that have been incorporated into the new design.

    The project, which is expected to cost in the region of £3m, is being funded by the New Anglia Local Enterprise Partnership, Ipswich Borough Council and Suffolk County Council.

    Evidence from other parts of the UK shows that refurbishment projects like these can help to increase town centre footfall and retail spend.

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    No public consultation? It is a completely new design… where did the money come from to make this new design?

    There must be a full public consultation and not lip-service through a planning application.

    It looks awful and slippery… dare I say worse than the previous version?!

    Civic leaders welcome Cornhill proposals

    The proposals to rebuild the Ipswich Cornhill have the full backing of members of the Ipswich Vision board which has been working to bring more prosperity to the town centre.

    Ipswich council leader David Ellesmere said: “These new designs reflect what the people of Ipswich and conservation groups have told us but they still remain exciting and bold.

    “Our architects, Hall McKnight, have managed the difficult task of retaining the wow factor while meeting public concerns about some of the details. This is going to give us a Cornhill we can all be proud of.”

    Tom Cookson, of Hall McKnight, is delighted the new designs have been unanimously approved by the Ipswich Vision Group.

    It is not down to them… it will get through by the backdoor… Ipswich Vision Group has “unanimously approved” the designs.

    No one asked me about my opinion on the heart of the town centre. The deal isn’t utilising “hints” from past feedback into creating a new design and just agreeing it. The public must get a fair say.

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    I can’t be bothered now. So much around the town centre needs smartening up for want of some money; pavings are dirty, broken and badly repaired, weeds, flaking paint, it goes on, and much of this is stuff down in recent years that’s not been maintained properly. So here we go again, spend millions and leave the rest to rot, it really makes no sense at all to me… If this is going to be the same sort of “improvement” to the public domain we have seen at the bus stations then frankly it will be a total waste of OUR money..

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    The design is worse… the flooring is going to be very slippery!! Only 3 of the 7 members of Ipswich Vision can be directly or indirectly voted for… and they have cancelled your democratic rights by unanimously approving the designs via the backdoor before you even got to see them. The deal is signed, sealed and delivered. The reason this project went to public consultation last time because it was YOUR opinion which mattered. They were sick of people calling time on this vanity project – they took the hint from the last public consultation that no one liked the design – so went back to the architect told him to do something else and just accepted it. This means any objections to the planning application will be ignored. It is like the Upper Orwell Crossing vanity project public consultation – totally ignored your views of a NORTHERN BYPASS – and it is going ahead. The 3 members of Ipswich Vision you can elect are IBC, SCC and Ben Gummer. Do the town a favour, vote out the councillors in the upcoming local elections, get rid of Ellesmere and Jones next time and vote Gummer out. Ben hasn’t cared to notice the problems of the town crime, homelessness and pulling down our hospital. Stop him getting a knighthood for a vanity bridge which won’t solve anything.

    The people shouldn’t put up with this behaviour by the powers-that-be. They clearly approved the design before anyone got to see it.

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    It is probably cheaper neglecting the town centre for a decade and then smarting up the Cornhill for £3m.

    I suppose the next piece in the puzzle is asking for grants to smarten up the rest of the town centre.

    Arras Square is in major need of improvement and with the new restaurants opening up, near the Tourist Information Centre, Ancient House and a vacant BHS… the time is now, surely!

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    Some notable comments:-

    Better design than before ,however please find a home for that market as to put it back on that cornhill would be a mistake , possibly on the car park behind M&S near to the buses . deeber

    That market is an embarrassment. it would be more of an asset if it returned to the Corn Exchange. m01

    This is definitely an improvement, but would agree that the market should not be placed here. Perhaps ad-hoc ‘event’ markets but our permanent one should be found a new home. Perhaps the Cattle Market bus station site would be good and a new single bus-station with proper facilities. £3m does seem steep for these works mind, and I wonder how much of the wider town centre paving could be replaced for this sort of money. IpswichBristol

    Pathetic! Please please please Debenhams or M&S please move into one of the out-of-centre retail parks. Either one will do for a start as the other will be sure to follow and then I will never have to go into the horrid and squalid town centre again! Gobby

    NHS bursting at the seams, in masses of debt(how many lives could 3m plus pounds save).no police on the street(serious crime worse than ever) . Struggle for housing , pot holes on every street. Over inflated car park prices. Homeless people constantly begging and no where to stay. Litter everywhere due to not enough funding for weekly bin collections. No goal posts on parks because there’s not enough money to cut grass. The list goes on . Surely a waste of £3million Buxton

    A waste of money if they are going to allow the market to stay there. It will be filthy and ugly again within a matter of weeks. It was a bad place to put the market in the first place, take this opportunity to move it somewhere more suitable or this will be just another waste of money. The town centre is so much nicer on days when there is no market spoiling the Cornhill. McLean

    With all of the problems Ipswich has, everyone likes to pass the blame because of lack of funds, and yet pointless vanity schemes are taking up the time of Ipswich Councillors. It is the equivalent of someone given a job to do at work but choosing to play solitaire all day. Will it ease traffic? No – Will it house the homeless? No. Will it help fight crime? No. Will it just be added to our council tax bill and escalate in cost as it is built? Yes. Will some councillors chums suddenly get into the water feature market? probably. It is no surprise that Geator is enthusing about it – Pathetic. Suffolk Boy

    Funny how the artist’s impressions shows well dressed respectable people when in actual fact the town centre is full for chavs and tramps. RC

    I dont think they’ve listened to the feedback – it looks horrid (dated already) and ruins the view across the square, which cld look lovely, with a few nicer shops and good lighting. This is driven by someone’s ego, determined to errect smg big and brash, just like that awful xmas tree. Will date so quickly and i’m struggling to see where the £3m is being spent. Oh yes, consultants fees! Great idea from someone belie to consolidate the two bus stops into one and free up much needed land near the butter market for much needed retail or market space, we cld have something like Bury St Eds, they seem to invest their strategic resources much more wisely than their ipswich counterparts. A tale of two towns, one going up, the other going down. Ipswich Ressie

    Stroll down from the Tower Ramparts bus station through the town all the way down to the Waterfront dream. A street market in Queen Street sounds awful but is only hoping it entices you to walk further down to enter the Waterfront for a prawn sandwich and £4 pint. Breathe in those lovely traffic fumes. The real vision should be transforming the two car parks in Tacket Street into a green space, a plaza, water fountains, a statue, street entertainers area, an outdoor market and some classy apartments. A compulsory purchase should be ordered. That is the “vision” this town needs instead of a derelict sugar beet factory, “office corridor” and a Waterfront surrounded by traffic. Block pave Upper Orwell Street, Tacket Street, Upper Brook Street and Northgate Street and get rid of the Cattle Market Bus Station. We should be trying harder to attract shop keepers, shoppers, tourists and visitors. Instead we will replace a department store with a town centre school ? chantry

     

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    Again, as with Gummer Bridge, I’m not anti something being done, it’s just the piecemeal approach to everything. Why can’t we have a grand plan for the town, rather than just picking off small elements while the rest goes to hell in a handcart.!  And part of the issue is, certainly for me personally, having seen what’s been done over the last few years, and what it looks like now, the so called “improvement” is minimal, the quality of work is often poor, and the ongoing upkeep is non existence. It make you weep now looking at some of the areas that have been “improved”

    There will be a planning application, that will be the time to voice concerns.

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    It isn’t their problem, might be their borough… but its delegated to Ipswich Central. Without a silly conference where a knight told them how bad Ipswich is and how it could easily be improved by x, y and z… and without other partners forcing the issue it would have been left “as is”. I keep telling the council about utilising the Cornhill when the market isn’t on. They can’t do this, as it will be lost when the new masterplan goes ahead. Furthermore, they don’t have the budget for it. £3m? The expenditure for a temporary solution would be closer £300. This £3m could triple.

    I have seen those flooring tiles before… when wet they are extremely slippery… seriously, the initial bus station problem has nothing on this. There is a water fountain in the design and it rains a lot here….  The other problem is they get so hot in the sun… No one will be walking bare foot of course, however, will wear down your shoes and be slightly hotter around there.

    This could be seen as an “improvement” – but it is easily forgotten. In 6 months it won’t be a special area anymore. The design seems to borrow some inspiration from the Spiral… old architecture. The idea was to get round the Town Hall steps by allowing wheelchairs level access… in this design they still need to access via the side entrance. The public art sculpture which will cost 2/3rd of entire project looks like a strange and cheap adaptation of Stonehenge! I don’t understand the need for them… could we not relocate something important there? Perhaps the war memorials, Ipswich Martyrs Monument or something more keeping with the town… perhaps a large Woolly Mammoth statue? That would be awesome.

    I have wrote to David Ellesmere leader of council which leads Ipswich Vision suggesting him to put the designs before the public. I doubt he will reply. No one will write in as you have to publish your name and address on record – discourages so many people. We don’t know whether it will go to committee or be delegated to officers. They won’t reject the application even if a thousand people objected. Written representations are solely to bring matters to their attention, they still get the decision at the end of the day and a few members on the committee are guaranteed to approve it. Others will follow suit because of this IpswichRising! (but lets forget the homelessness and violent crime surge…)

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    I can’t tell what most of the paving is like from the vague pictures we’ve been provided with, but some of it looks exactly like that you can see in the Old Cattle Market around the taxi rank area, looks identical, that’s not slippery. But of course a lot of the other paving used recently around the town is notorious for looking filthy dirty after a few months. Now that would be Ok if it got cleaned regularly, but that never happens does it. So, spent £1m on your paving etc, it could do with a freshen up, forget the statue, and the steps, and the water feature, and save a £1m for keeping it looking good for a decade, and then use the other £1m fixing the broken things around the rest of the town.!

    I really think when they come up with these plans they should build in the ongoing maintenance into the up front costs, (as expensive  pavings need expensive cleaning, and expensive repairs) or you may as well not bother.

    And what really gets up my nose is the comment by ben gummer on twitter,

    “An exceptional design and very beautiful”

    How they hell can anyone make that sort of judgement about those proposals from those few vague pictures? How is it in any way “exceptional” or ” beautiful” as currently presented?

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    Couple of more comment additions on Ipswich Star…

    Waspie’s wife..Oh no. Those awful concrete see through blocks. Nothing tactile about them. Harsh. Ripe for graffiti. Not pleasant, nothing to do with the town’s history. why not move Cardinal Wolsey there? Add the Giles statue. History and humour, something you want to touch and look at,cost saving too. They remind me of grim 70’s tower block flats, a concrete jungle. Remember the Ed Miliband stone? Quietly got rid of. This shouldn’t get off the starting blocks. Why put stalls there..more congestion. It should have spaces to sit and have a coffee. waspie

    Indeed, perhaps the idea is concentrating graffiti there instead of other crime taking place, wishful thinking?

    I can’t believe that so much made up twoddle could be written about a few lumps of concrete, a few umbrellas and a couple of poorly placed steps…or am I missing something? All of the nonsense quoted here by the so called ‘experts’ is laughable – for example what on earth does this mean in plain English – “sympathetic to the historic setting, whilst creating a public realm space fit for future needs”??? How do lumps of concrete do that? The whole leveling idea was ridiculous and expensive but I can’t really see what is going to cost £3 million here? The stone grafitti ‘blackboards’ (which is what they will quickly become) maybe? Oh no, sorry they are “celebratory columns” inspired by the four key figures on top of the Town Hall and former Post Office. They also reflect the former historic gates to Ipswich.” which to me sounds like a lot of gibber gabber I’m afraid – they are one thing or the other not ‘they are this….ooh,ooh and they could be that too….because that will make an even stronger case for having some ugly lumps of stone stuck on the Cornhill. If we want to attract retailers into the town centre drop the business rates and parking charges so 1. retailers can afford to come here and 2. customer can afford to park. If we really wanted to make it attractive we could also sort the traffic out so people can get to said car parks… I live in the town centre and have an office and retail unit on the edge of it. I often weight up the pros and cons of moving the retail business into the true centre in search of more natural footfall. This little blunder scheme has done nothing to sway me into so doing. I think Ipswich is great – I hear others giving it a hard time but wherever you live there are positives and negatives. Having said that, this does absolutely nothing for our town – zero, zip, zilch – less time and money spent on talking and writing flowery quotes and more time on putting something ‘real’ together that is going to help our town – and that may not involve spending millions on the town square infrastructure at all of course…. Chris Everitt

    I am not too keen on the Wolsey obsession in the town but I would rather that statute be relocated before the Town Hall in cornhill rather than these concrete pillars.

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    Different pictures seem to give different ideas of what the surface is going to look like.

    Some twitter responses…

    Being on Ipswich Vision he obviously knew already about the Cornhill plans which is what he meant in below tweet…

     

    The following came over quite arrogant to me…


    Our town?

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    The folks of Ipswich are quite grounded really aren’t we. OK so we do winge and moan a lot, but what we are not is swayed by b**lsh*t like some of the stuff being spouted about a bit of new paving, some steps and some concrete columns, as that is all it is, its clearly not beautiful ,and its certainly not exceptional.

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    I am sure residents can make a better Cornhill more beautiful by bringing down a few potted plants or installing hanging-baskets when the market is on. What annoys me with these vanity projects is how much money is wasted on consultancy fees.

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    Yarn bombing, that would help as well…

    Yeah, why not a local architectural competition, we have a few, and frankly they could all come up with something as “exceptional” and “beautiful” as that. That way we maybe able to get people to at least feel they have ownership of the scheme rather than having something imposed on us by people who clearly know a lot better than us simple Ipswich folk….

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    I would even go so far to say you don’t need an architect designer for most of it.

    I feel somewhat cheated that we don’t get an insight as to what the actual process was… is it like logo design where you specify whether it will be a symbol, text, combination etc., what style modern, elegant, traditional etc. and examples of what other logos you like.

    Did they specify examples of other town centres/features they like, and someone miss-mashed a few elements to get the end result?

    The dilemma they have is two common deaths to a new design:

    • Upstaged, so not the focal point, or
    • Novelty worn off, such as with age

    The Westgate Theatre Square although not exactly the best design ever will eclipse this. If the Westgate Square gets built first then no one is going to get the WOW sensation of the Cornhill; if the Cornhill redevelopment is built first then it will become shadowed by the Theatre Square. Note this development outside the new axis regime… has a restaurant… the council refusing Grimwade unit as a restaurant could be dangerous.

    I have to say as the town centre as a whole, the Cornhill pedestrianisation/block-paving was a good move (the market being there wasn’t) but I do prefer when the other town centre streets were proper roads… look much better in photos. The lack of street furniture and beautification renders the block-paving concept rather obsolete. The issue is the road cannot be obstructed as it is needed for access, shop deliveries. Ipswich generally is restricted as the town centre receives extreme footfall with the vast majority of people not shoppers. The emphasis on further leisure activity in the town strengthens this concern. It makes it impractical to plant trees and better benches and the like. For example, having a central row of benches with planters… not very nice to be sitting down with 5 people abreast walking past in front and behind you at a rate of knots.

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    More comments on Ipswich Star…

    Waspie’s wife….I could not agree more, you summed it up perfectly, in fact one of the best critiques I have read here for a long time. Agree with Mr Everett too. Instead of these grotesque blocks of concrete, why not some nice, strategically placed trees and flowering scented shrubs ? jack rabbit

    Strategically placed trees and flowering scented shrubs sounds like a plan!

    The Cornhill does need attention but not before the real issues affecting the town are dealt with. It seems a waste of £3m to transform one part of Ipswich when the rest of the town centre looks so run down and in need of help. Some cash incentive should be available to encourage interesting independent retails as well as some big names. The plans for the former Co-op in Carr Street I can’t see cutting it, a school will only bring more traffic chaos. I personally think a lot of improvement is needed throughout the town as a whole as I can’t see the Cornhill plans as featured are anywhere enough on their own to attract people into our town. Why would anyone struggle to get here and park just to look at the four columns of folly, unlit after a few nights of vandalism; to perch on steps or sit on benches dawbed with graffiti or chewing gum. Getting it right and priorities spring to mind. lynn andrews

    Lynn makes some very valid points. The older parts of the town centre will look so tired and run down compared to the new Cornhill – regardless of what it looks like. However, this is quite the point, the intention of encouraging people to go from the Cornhill down to the Ipswich Waterfront with that new bridge. Surely some good car parking (multi-story) on the waterfront would be more sensible?! I like the idea of cash incentives to attract bigger names and niche independents. Ipswich Borough Council axed their test trading scheme in a retail unit (first the Buttermarket Shopping Centre, then a unit in Tower Ramparts Shopping Centre) for a market stall! Not sure if they have scrapped that now! Finally, it is true, who wants to tackle Travel Ipswich and find a car parking space just to see some graffiti on the awful pillars?

    This is a more coherent design than previously, except for the insistence of having market stalls here. I agree with others that this will just lead to mess and damage within a few months. Having space for outdoors eating and drinking would be far more attractive. We’ve wasted the opportunity to move the market to tower ramparts with a combined bus station and car park on the site of Crown St multi-storey unfortunately, but the market needs to be somewhere else not on the cornhill. David C

    The council clearly wants the distributed market where it starts at Cornhill, flows on the side of the Town Hall and Giles Circus, and Queens Street… it just comes across wrong. Cluttered and in the way. Not uniform, ground not even.

    Sorry to be wading in w a second comment, but so many people make so many valid comments below, shame no one is listening. Those columns are like something from the post-war communist era. They’ll be torn down within a short amount of time because they just wont work. I feel like launching a petition against them. Yes they will be covered in graffiti and will become a urinal for the drunk muppets who inhabit this town. They will add nothing to the square but will detract from the beauty of the townhall and other pretty buildings around it. PLEASE Gummer and co don’t let this happen, its a mistake!! I like the idea of the wolsey or giles statues going there with perhaps a small water feature and some nice lighting, if they must (don’t think its necessary though). Last time round one of the readers had a sensible idea to aim for a continental style plazza square surrounded by cafe style bars and bistros etc. The old Grimwades building would make a lovely cafe bistro but the fact it can’t be used as anything other than a shop is yet another huge mistake but the town planners. Final point – i do think its great that Fosters have got the bridges project, great for ipswich to be allocated some many central funds, so could they (Fosters) not cast an eye over this plan as a freebie to ipswich, put a big red line through it and come up w something less of an eyesore – or perhaps tell the Council we just don’t need it!! And yes we do need a Northern Bypass! IpswichRessie

    Very good contributions. The pillars will be used as a urinal. Also valid that it will hinder the view of the Town Hall, Post Office Building and other notable buildings on Cornhill. I think Giles Statue should remain at Giles Circus. It has a purpose now in respect to where his newspaper office was. The Wolsey Statue could be moved. He was said to be born (many different suggestions including the Black Horse pub) where the Ipswich Hippodrome was, now replaced with a building named Cardinal House. A shame it went. There is no real reason why the statute is where it currently is, moving that to Cornhill wouldn’t be such a bad idea, although not my first choice.

    As already said, this will compete with Westgate Square/Theatre Square which will have a restaurant/bistro/cafe… I cannot see the Cornhill winning. Ended up saying about the Northern Bypass… support is growing stronger every day and that is without a closed Orwell Bridge!

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    Just a clip of BBC Radio Suffolk Mark Murphy show yesterday…

    Ben Gummer:

    The negative people will have to lose

    This seemed to get Mark’s back-up.

    By “negative” Ben Gummer means the conscious people with civic pride that don’t want to see their town destroyed with these silly schemes when the money could be better spent elsewhere. Apparently, we don’t deserve a democratic right if it is in conflict with the elite few running the town (..into the ground)

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    Radio interviews with town Conservative MP Ben Gummer and town borough council leader David Ellesmere.

    Cornhill Redevelopment – Radio Interviews

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    More Ipswich Star comments…

    Where is the INTELLIGENCE in Ipswich? Not with our local press; they seek only their own glory and contribute zilch of any importance. The local ‘mafia elite’ who decide everything? Not at all; almost everything that has happened in Ipswich over the last few years point to a distinct LACK of intelligence. It seems, from the content of the comments here, it lies with the ordinary people. If all those who commented here were put in a room together, they would come up with real, credible and workable solutions. But we all know that would not happen – how do the elite get their ‘Honours’ unless they contribute something (even if it is totally pointless and useless)? I am waiting for someone to get a Knighthood soon for services to traffic lights. Matters have really gone too far and Ipswich seems doomed: the two far-apart bus stations have recently been refurbished at huge cost and there is less-than-zero chance of them being united on one site; the traffic lights have someone’s name on them and cannot be ripped out without admitting to the ordinary man that he is more intelligent than those who planned the fiasco; there is nowhere to locate the market and keep it functioning (remember that it is a source of income for IBC and one they will not lightly give up); the undesirables who blight the town centre will not be moving anywhere soon (probably will actually GROW in numbers); the reputation of Ipswich as a ‘dump’ cannot easily be erased and a few more ‘fallen question marks’ will not make it a Cambridge. Whatever the solutions are, if any, they lie with the ordinary man who takes his (and her) precious time to THINK about the current situation and to write about it here, even though so many times he (or she) has been kicked in the teeth by a moderator who banned their contribution because it was better than anything the local press could produce. RIP. Johnthebap

    Great comment JTB…. I did ask before and I will try again but why don’t the council offer the opportunity for young designers in the town those at university or high school to come up with some designs for the Cornhill , it might unearth a real gem and all for free…..I think the four Columns are probably designed to remind us that we will have four bridges in Gummers dock , two Orwell bridges , and two bridges to the island …by the way how’s his sponsors wine rack coming along, you know the same company that bought the star offices any news on that Mr Geater ? deeber

    Deeber- you make a fair point about not using local talent for this project. Hall Mcnight, the winning architects, are based in Belfast and London. How many Ipswich-based, extremely capable architects could have taken this project on- with a full in-depth knowledge of Ipswich. The usual snail-pace project management has preyed on this project too- Hall Mcnight won the initial competition in 2013!!! It will nearly be close to 7 years since the proposal for this project through to completion- now that is a joke. It highlights all too well why Ipswich cannot carry on with the myriad of different organisations at play- 5 authorities with IBC, Suffolk Coastal, Babergh DC, Mid Suffolk DC and Suffolk CC, the Ipswich Vision Group, Ipswich Central, Suffolk Chamber of Commerce…..is high time for change. Ipswich needs and deserves better and more effective representation- use the County elections in May to make your voice heard, and visit orwellahead.co.uk and look at the Reform Suffolk tab IpswichBristol

    Cannot see much difference from what is there now apart from less fag ends, chewing gum and down and outs. Bring in a few tatty market stalls and bingo, apart from the ‘Ipswich Stonehenge’ , which will be vandalised within a week of building, you have spent £3million and achieved nothing. Love the artist impressions, a bit like estate agents photos that show off a slum as a very desirable des res. And who are these Established Middle Class people shown in the pictures and where are they coming from? How will the riff raff be kept off the square,electronic gates? Continental towns do it very successfully with a few trees, occasional fountain, great cafes with old men playing cards and crib around the tables, drinking coffee, chatting. Come on Ipswich, arty farty just doesn’t fit, get real. how’d the town do

    Love the idea of Local designers or architects offering an alternative solution , it is amazing that the architects are not local .This council needs to be changed we must have more local input and ditch this ridiculous two tier council system. Macke

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    What a load of old bull — What a waste of money — what a waste of time — it should be called The Gummer skate board area — or Gummers Ipswich amusements — but ofcourse that would have to include the bridge to nowhere — Ipswich is being screwed and messed up good and proper Ipswich will soon become a place of curiosity — we will need a NBP just so we can escape from it all

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