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- 1 month, 1 week ago #3256
I went into the forecourt of Ipswich Rail Station this morning….
Unless I am mistaken by perception, the current incomplete design looks nothing like it.
- Bus Stop area looks larger than the taxi rank area – when it should look rather equal – is there enough room for the bus shelters on pavement?
- The Improved Pedestrian Access area (public realm) doesn’t seem that large – by this design it takes up 45% of the greater forecourt area
- The road surface is poorly laid tarmac with temporary white lines – I assume that is being replaced with this non-tarmac surface?
Am I largely mistaken or have Ipswich residents been led up the garden path with an artist impression which looks nothing like the end result?1 month, 1 week ago #3257
Interesting you should post this. When that pretty picture was first published I asked SCC for a proper drawing of the proposals, se we could really see what was going to be done. Particularly as the pretty picture doesn’t show what happens to the rest of the forecourt to the right of the picture. All I could get out of them was the same picture, they were never prepared, so it seemed, to release a correct scaled plan of the works. I’d have to wait until its finished now, I looked at it last week, it was vaguely like that.
However what the pretty picture doesn’t show is all the new trees along the road line, something Mr Gummer seemed particularly pleased with when he’s commented on these works.
So I can only assume that the Ipswich public were never actually told what they were really going to be getting here, we just got that picture. And frankly that’s not good enough when spending our money.
If you can find better info in the public domain please let me know!
This was my coms trail, I gave up then..
Please see the Ipswich Station Forecourt poster and leaflet attached and the link for more information https://www.suffolk.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/roadworks/ipswich-railway-station/
If you would like to send your comments to me I will ensure they are passed to the Scheme Manager and Scheme designer for response.
Kier – Suffolk Highways
Mon 25/01/2016, 17:49
I am looking for info on the works about to be undertaken to the Ipswich Railway Station forecourt. I’ve looked at the leaflet here.
and tried to follow the link for more informtion given as,
But that goes nowhere.
Can you please tell me where I mat view full plan details of the proposals and how I comment prior to the work starting?
I'm really quite cross now, so watch out!1 month, 1 week ago #3259
Trees along the road line? If there is something which really winds me up it is these pathetic carbon-offset “gesture” trees. If you want trees go to a park! I really do not like urban design including trees unless they are proper trees and just happen not to crack open the pavement. For example, in the past the trees in Arras Square aren’t too bad… just too many for the space and the circular benches are awful. The “trees” at Giles Circus and outside the post office shouldn’t be there in my view.
The most tacky design has to be these gesture trees… concrete pavement blocks etc. with a circular hole and a small tree. There might be 5 or 6 of these at the railway station then. These will just get in the way of the pavement for the taxi rank!
Picture this: People come from the rail station through the new concourse then out into a generic space which will see drug dealers doing their work or prostitutes. I don’t approve of the design. Was there a public consultation?
An opportunity here would be for a statue either related with the town or the railway. So this could be to Peter Bruff the railway engineer who built Stoke Tunnel and brought the railway here. Perhaps add some description for tourists to learn that Stoke Tunnel was the world’s first continuous curve tunnel AND the prehistoric discoveries found in this area. Nah… lets stick a signpost map to the ******* Ipswich Waterfront…1 month, 1 week ago #3260
Ben’s trees they’ll be.
2 March at 19:30 ·
Good to see progress on Ipswich Station Forecourt – part of the National Station Improvement Programme the funding for which I helped secure. The initial plans did not have trees on the scheme so I pressed the council and Abellio and won 16 beautiful new London Plane trees on the scheme and lining Burrell Road.
By 2021, visitors, investors and those returning home will arrive in Ipswich on a new, state of the art train, walk through a refurbished station and out onto a beautifully paved and tree lined station forecourt.
These improvements were not only about improving the connection from Ipswich to London from which commuters and Ipswich businesses will certainly benefit, this was more about improving the links so that investors and visitors from London and around the country can come to Ipswich.
When complete we will finally have the beautiful gateway our town deserves. We must not underestimate the value of this to those who are coming to Ipswich to create jobs or spend money in our town centre.
I'm really quite cross now, so watch out!1 month, 1 week ago #3261
Where can you win 16 London Plane trees? They will look good in a park but does he realise there isn’t the space or time for a full grown tree?
Investors? Coming to Ipswich to create jobs? Not going to happen!
Why-oh-why are they trying to destroy my home town?1 month, 1 week ago #3264
Well, 16 trees, each in a specially constructed pit which IBC/SCC will insist on, which is there to prevent trees outgrowing the space and cracking the pavement by allowing for space for root growth etc, I reckon you could be looking at an extra £20,000.00 in total, plus extra ongoing maintenance to ensure they get established.
Great example of “tree planning” in Ipswich was at Giles Square. London Planes were planted, with all the necessary works, they had got well established and were looking good, when two were removed (I assume cut down and destroyed, I think it was two) so they could do the most recent paving works and build some more expensive tree pits with some new trees! So good chance before 2021 comes along they will have dug up the road again and had to get rid of some.
I think our MP may have a different definition of the word “beautiful” than the rest of us. It’s been used a lot recently in the context of bridges and the Cornhill. With or without trees that station forecourt is not going to be beautiful is it. Perhaps he’s getting confused with this “beautiful Ipswich” project. http://www.ipswich.qld.gov.au/about_ipswich/beautiful-ipswich
I'm really quite cross now, so watch out!1 month, 1 week ago #3266
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Totally against the Giles Circus trees they completely obscure the view of some amazing buildings in the area. Being dead town centre the small trees aren’t having much health benefits and have little in terms of aesthetic value either.
Most able people are more than capable of a 10 minute stroll either to Christchurch Park or Alderman Road Recreational Ground.
I am in favour of knocking down the buildings between Queen Street and Princes Street (with some exceptions) and having a park square there. It would be like one of those London garden squares. That would be “beautiful”. I notice Ben Gummer used the word 3 times in your quote (including variants).
I am considering publishing alternative designs… I would have completely undertaken a different design.
What I had noticed in the artist impression above is the absence of RTPI screens… is the railway station not having them?1 month, 1 week ago #3268
yeah, I thought the Giles Circus trees were an odd decision initially, as its not a big space, London Planes get huge, the massive tree at the bottom of Christchurch Park just inside the gate is one of those, so they were never going to be right there long term, but hate seeing a decent tree cut down, especially one I paid for..!
I'm really quite cross now, so watch out!1 month, 1 week ago #3272
Yes, London Planes do get really large… and what is the point of “beautiful” trees which have to end up being removed? It is a bonkers idea. No doubt the roots will cause problems with the road surface!
They could have chose shrubs, flowers, hedges etc. but they chose a tree? Well, 16 of them!3 weeks, 2 days ago #3391
The trees are now installed and look really silly.
An update to original post:
I think there is space for bus stop shelters… just about. Instead of two rows of bus stops there is just adequate space for other buses to overtake other buses. The three bus stops is no improvement over the previous problems with stops A, B and C. At peak times the buses and coaches are going to be problematic. This probability increases with road works and delays where all buses will be held up and follow each other.
The original space allocation for taxis weren’t enough… so the change is better for them.
I am not sure if the second row of bus stop shelters were for taxis. I don’t see why the bus shelters cannot be installed at the same time as the paving.
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