Ben Gummer shocked by Westminster terrorist attack

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    Ben Gummer shocked by terror in Westminster as East Anglian MPs praise police

    Ipswich MP and Cabinet Office minister Ben Gummer was left shocked after seeing the aftermath of the attack.

    He said: “I cannot say much about this – but I saw more than I wanted to and it really brought home the dangers faced by those who are there to protect us. It was a horrible, horrible moment and I feel very sorry for the police officer, his family and colleagues.”

    Mr Gummer could not comment on whether was involved in the COBRA meeting to discuss the incident – but he did say it showed the threats posed to democracy.

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    Awful events in which 2 people and a police officer serving his country have died.

    Watching BBC news my focus is somewhat drifted away from the sad and tragic loss of life and the injuries suffered to annoyance of their reporting and what they deem important:-

    • When I first picked up the story, all I heard was how PM May was safe – escorted away by car; took a bit longer to learn a policeman was stabbed and much longer to learn a car drove onto the pavement and collided with lots of people leading up to this. Time has shown this was the biggest loss of life and casualty but was reported as the least important/significant. I think the order was incorrect, prioritised in the wrong order, should have been in reverse
    • They seem to count the suspect death as a victim of the terrorist attack (should be three killed, not four)
    • They started their reporting about how safe the MPs are (including the PM) all I was really concerned about is what happened on the bridge and if the police officer is okay from his injuries
    • The sensationalism and enthusiasm journalists and reporters have for these big events where people have died – really pisses me off
    • It had been broadcast on BBC (by witnesses and a police chief) that some police officers returning from a ceremony were caught up in the incident and thus the car might have been aiming for the police officers… the BBC wouldn’t report this fact as a key piece of information (this is significant especially when a policeman had been stabbed… even after reporting the policeman’s death, no link established)
    • FRENCH, FRENCH, FRENCH. They placed a lot of emphasis on “french witnesses” (i.e. making reference to Paris’ terror attacks) which were only a small percentage of overall witnesses from all different walks of life, nationalities etc
    • Students became “schoolchildren” which presumes primary age pupils rather than actual teenagers… for added effect
    • Footage from various locations just 100 metres away… but 100 metres is 100 metres, unaffected
    • They made the most of the footage showing police escort of a large group of young schoolchildren – 3 hrs after the event inside large cordon

    Other things that annoyed me:-

    • MPs were locked-down inside Palace of Westminster, no doubt at the bar…
    • … meanwhile people spent hours on the London Eye without being able to get out, aerial footage showed one woman pacing as she desperately needed the toilet… the whole area was cordoned off, they could have slowly evacuated the London Eye onto buses and processed people for any eye witnesses
    • Attack on Democracy… yet both House of Commons and the Scottish Parliament stopped proceedings. The Scottish gesture-point was ridiculousness. At the time, MPs in the House of Commons didn’t know about the extent of what was going on outside and should have continued parliamentary business (on reflection with hindsight it would have looked worse for a police officer to have died with them continuing on unaware,  but by suspending proceedings rendering the purpose of such high security rather pointless in my eyes) the police had the situation under control. Or perhaps they knew about the full extent of the officer’s injuries? If so, then it was the right decision.
    • A name of the suspect (I am not using it because it hasn’t been confirmed but the Independent is running with it – although has been denied as apparently the suspect is still in prison) has been released unofficially… if he is indeed the actual suspect – a big resemblance, he has 2 decades of hate crimes and is a member of a banned terrorist group, what is he doing free?
    • PM in COBRA meeting ordered flags at half-mast… with a big terrorist event unfolding where deaths have been reported and confirmed… the flags should automatically be put at half-mast including at Buckingham Palace (I know the Royals are funny with doing that) not hours later

    Much credit to Foreign Office Minister Tobias Ellwood his quick thinking and actions were truly heroic despite being unable to save the police officer.

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    Channel 4 in trouble as announced the name of the suspect, who then turned out to be in prison, so they boobed badly, and sounds like they then pulled the news from the +1 channel so they didn’t repeat the mistake.

    Its all very tragic but does anyone really know yet its a terrorist attack and not just a random nutter? It was reported by media as “terrorist” from the very start, I think that’s a dangerous assumption. Worst of all its giving the Trump ammunition he can use in his mad exploits…

     

     

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    Very interesting how Ipswich Star loves to cover major national stories.

    I have never ever – whether it is a political scandal, serious incident etc. – gone onto Ipswich Star website to find out national news.

    TV, BBC website, any national newspaper, social media …. not local news website.

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    yes, agreed on the Star thing, you wonder why they are bothering. 7 separate articles on their homepage!

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    It was Channel 4 who originally named him then? Damn, I have noticed all the relaying news source have got rid of the articles (I assume threatened with legal action). When are the police going to identify the suspect publicly? They must have identified him by now.

    City of London police have much tighter security than at Westminster (or so it seems).

    They cannot learn any lessons. It isn’t too dissimilar to the murder of Lee Rigby at Woolwich. There just isn’t the proper kind of security you would have even got in medieval times. You cannot stop cars being used as a weapon. Some form of watchtower or monitored CCTV which could give forewarning must be a basic precaution surely?

    If it was a lone-wolf nutter (witnesses have said two people in the car – but someone would have seen the other person disappear surely?!) there was nothing to prevent the first part of the tragedy from happening – it just isn’t possible – but there should have been intelligence to lock-down the parliament estate so said person couldn’t get in. This information cannot be relayed externally fast enough. I argue there was adequate time (this is hindsight) from the very first incident up until the crash into the gates, for the suspect to get out and to proceed towards the gates to get in… to raise an alarm, have all security personnel on full alert and to close any open gates/access. A CCTV operator on site would keep track of such incidents and despite various false alarms would eliminate any latter type of attack. The same applies with military barracks perhaps with a response for incidents?

    The problem in this country is we have got too soft with “human rights”… and treating people with respect. Americans would shoot to kill any person (could be mentally ill but not posing a threat) which make them feel uncomfortable. The British seem to wait until a suspect makes the first move. I am not saying the USA way is the right way. Shoot first, asking questions last is the wrong way. We are far superior (especially compared to the French) but there are tweaks that could be done to improve things. It always annoys me when lives have to be lost to implement changes.

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    Sad news…

    Five now dead and about 40 injured, police confirm
    22:29
    Scotland Yard’s top anti-terror officer Mark Rowley confirms that five people have died and about 40 people were injured in the attack, including three police officers.

    Dead police officer named
    22:34
    The officer who died in the attack has been named as Keith Palmer.
    Scotland Yard’s Mark Rowley said Mr Palmer, 48, had 15 years service as a police officer and was a husband and father.
    He said he would not comment on the identity of the attacker, although he suggested the police was aware of who the assailant was.

     

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    Might as well forget the Ipswich evening Star, its not a news paper at all, its just a local rag,most schools have one,at least they did. As for the attack,we do not have information on just what it was yet, so we need to wait for this first before judging.

    We also need to remember the news industry does not give a flying fig about any one, their only concern is pumping out Head Lines, head lines make profits injured and dead people do not,unless they are at the top of the ladder.

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    Yeah, to prove this…

    Dead police officer named

    Really BBC?

    Surely should be:-

    • Murdered police officer named
    • Killed police officer named
    • Fatally Wounded police officer named

    Anyhow, it appears the police officer who died wasn’t armed.

    Questions must be asked as to why a vehicle crashing into the fence wasn’t treated more seriously. Surely better use of technology could determine any obstruction close to the fence which would be a security issue.

    Why wasn’t armed colleagues first to confront the suspect?

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    This, spot on in my opinion. Coverage made all of us look frightened and was totally overhyped.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/24/coverage-westminster-attack-media-politicians?CMP=fb_gu

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    I read every word of that article and I wholeheartedly agree – spot on.

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    Those 7 or so articles appear to have vanished from the Ipswich Star website. Only 2 days ago and must have been in the “most read (of the week)” list. Some older articles seem to have reappeared as if by magic. I am sure they still exist if you click on a link directly to them. But whats going on there? How can a series of themed articles dominate but by the end of the week no where to be seen requiring you to search for them?

    Interesting link. You can understand why conspiracy theorists exist. (I am not one). It as although the politicians await such events to be able to take advantage for their own ends. I can understand how some people might 1+1 and get 3, saying it is an inside job etc.  (not relevant in this particular case)

    The PM immediately rushed towards her car so she can go home and call the European leaders and Trump. A not too dissimilar event occurred in Manchester or Birmingham? Where someone used their car as a weapon… no panic of a terrorist attack. As already stated, I hate how the media (especially BBC) trying to control how we should feel. Was there broadcasted footage of the MPs waiting around… or in the Abbey? Did they have a meeting where each single MP would go back to say X, Y and Z? We never really had this under IRA in the past which were a bigger threat in all honesty.

    I cannot really talk on such topics – seems a major shift from Al-Qa3da under Clinton and Bush; and now it is all IS!S (which seems to not have existed before) under Obama and Trump etc. Is it mandatory for a new group to take control every decade or so? The former used to organise and the latter is “in the name of”?

    I think this would have been downplayed if the suspect didn’t storm the gates of the Houses of Parliament and stab the police officer. What annoys me is the government has a policy for when the attack happens… and they took the opportunity despite a less severe incident in the grand scheme of things. The bottom line is the government wants more control… they want to justify the need to know all your internet and phone records. This cannot be solely about counter-terrorism.

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    The Queen has honoured two MPs (Tobias Ellwood and Ben Wallace) by appointment to Privy Council – nothing has come about for the ordinary folk who rushed to help, paramedics or police. The murdered police officer (as far as I am aware) hasn’t won anything from his loss of life.

    Doesn’t it make you sick to think two politicians have had their careers progressed through a tragedy? Only something a Tory government would do. The victims love ones haven’t had time to come to terms with what has happened let alone grieve; yet the establishment has decided to take advantage to promote a couple of MPs just days afterwards.

    Attack on democracy? No, it was an attack on ordinary people!

     

     

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    And here it is, the bottom line…

    WhatsApp must not be ‘place for terrorists to hide’ – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39396578

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    I have never understood why Governments cower to these large corporations… much of what many do are illegal. So many examples such as allowing beheading videos etc. They keep using these few awful and shocking events as a way to get these businesses to share more information…

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    Ben Gummer shocked ,whats he looking for more votes.  His ilk does not normally have to live with the risks they impose on ordinary people, I support the real refugees, but any fool can see ISIS are sending their own in with them,but then fools or traitors are running this country.

    On my allotment field,there are two Iraqi  refugees, they are cousins who escaped from their village before ISIS got there,if they had not they and their families would have been killed. They both work,also treat their wives and children how we treat ours, I have eaten and drunk tea with them, one has a small lawn on his plot, and on a very hot day a little while ago had his wife and children there having a BBQ.  Same as us.

    I do not dislike Muslims in general,many came here for a better life and to escape sharia law.  I know of one restaurant that will not be open Xmas day, because they want Xmas day with their wives and family, they are still Muslims. But are part of the community.

    The ones I am against are the radicals, who attack women in gangs because they dont like the way they are dressed.  The peophiles who go after young girls and boys because its acceptable  in their culture. The ones that riot in Londonistan  and other big city’s. All this the governments and media are trying to hide,and doing sod all about. Are they waiting until its too late, and the UK,becomes like France,Germany,Sweden and a few more, also we do not see this on UK media,some thing else they are hiding.

     

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    Ben Gummer was out recently with political party rival David Ellesmere to open luxury apartments; you know the real issues facing Ipswich!

    You will notice in the media they have stopped using physical descriptions of non-white British people. The attempted rape in Rope Walk was an example where no reference was made to their race… which is crucial information when hunting for suspects. They were caught mostly likely as the area was alien to them… they could have easily got on a train up North etc.

    Everyone is accountable… trying to protect foreigners in such a way is bypassing peer pressure and doesn’t help the situation.

    The problems in this country isn’t of letting those with different races, languages or religions in… but allowing people to not adhere to our values as being a human right. Whereas that is true, no one has a right to enter another country without such a country agreeing. So their human rights are not being violated by not being allowed in. You highlighted a few good examples. These criminals and awful people were hiding within a community of genuine decent people as camouflage.

    I would like to see more interracial integration in Ipswich. All very tense with brexit… but the misunderstanding is generally counter productive. Ipswich has seen crime spiral out of control and much of it is non-residents (Londoners etc.) or foreigners. Considering the Census ethnicity split there is no real reason why foreigners should be committing more crime than natives. It is a class of foreigners without our values.

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