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Northern Bypass NBP Part 4!

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    A good quote Martin, thanks for sharing! Hold him to his word.

    I am still waiting for a reply to a letter sent about the last major time when the Orwell Bridge closed… which was 3 months ago! David Ellesmere… he replied to confirm receipt, I am guessing that was his response and he isn’t going to bother replying with anything else.

    The most recent letter regarding the museums… will be interested indeed. He will either not respond or give some silly response.

     

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    Over a year ago I was looking for someone to support me in my quest for a NBP Martin C was only too pleased to join me, I will forever be grateful to him for all the hard work that he has done, once again working behind the scenes so to speak, he has come up with another interesting post — Just over two years ago my son collected me from the Heath road Hospital — from there to our Henley road turn off it took us nearly one and a half hours — because the bridge had been closed down — that is what prompted me to start this quest off for a NBP

    Tim Passmore and all the other clever dicks have said oh don’t worry when it happens again we will have another diversion route/way all sorted out — there is an answer to that but I will not say it — what I will say — should you stand in it, your shoes will get covered and it stinks —

    In the Ipswich star 23 Feb 2017 — article by Emily Townsend — part of it said — A diversion have been placed through Ipswich — Felixstowe rd, Bixlely rd, Heath rd, Valley rd, etc. etc.
    What a load of codswallop — we have all known that is the only way — that is why we started this NBP debate off.

    I am with Martin C all the way — No NBP, No proper infrastructure, No Northern Fringe and for those that want to take 15 years to make a start — I say cut that down to 5 years Max — if you don’t you could well be saying — informe, informe, they’ve all got it IN FOR ME come next May, — rest assured we are not going to leave you in peace, in a way it is a pity that we have no longer got our fly on the wall (Matt of the SCC) to get his message to them.

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    Lovely to hear Watchfull. Martin has been very supportive.

    As far as I understand they put a planned out diversion route this time but didn’t bother with stacking and effective communication with the public. A lorry even broke down a stone throw away from Suffolk Police at Landmark House yet recovery appeared to be sorting the problem out alone! This is near a slip road so there was fast moving traffic either side of the lorry.

    This is what I like to hear. 5 years is really realistic timescale. It isn’t a pipe-dream of next week or in 2 years time completed. 5 years is adequate planning time in order to get the work done… they already have a route from the 1990s. How Ipswich voted for Gummer again I will never know… Ellesmere seems to be power hungry these days, taking every opportunity to speak on matters in the town. I get the impression that he will stand at the next general election. People deciding not to vote for him was probably a good call on reflection. His other half on the cabinet seems to be a very strategic way of controlling the council once he left (if he was elected as MP). Unitary authority…

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    I see on Twitter this morning the Ipswich Star claim it’s Northern bypass campaign is still running. Could have fooled me….

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    Yes, apparently so… avoiding answering about the petition results!

    Ipswich Star is clearly controlled and influenced, no such thing as freedom of the press around this way

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    Now that the SCC councillors have been seated around the table at Endeavour House having discussions for their budget that will set the tone for the next four years (As reported by Paul Geater) It makes one wonder — if they can do that, and get things sorted in such a short time — then why do they need 15yrs to sort out a NBP I will tell you why — they know full well that their backside’s are on the line come May — their hidden agenda self-important positions as SCC councillors could be well and truly be a thing of the past this time — they have options — start acting for and on behalf of Ipswich and it’s people — do the things that we want and need — stick the upper Orwell bridges — they will only bring more mayhem to the town centre — instead of fighting for £500m for the Copdock fly over — if it is obtainable, forget the flyover and put it towards the NBP — do not forget the three LLLs — Look Listen Learn — something politicians seem not to do these days — when can I expect men at arms at my door to cart me off to the tower

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    someone made a very good point the other day about the WDC (or is it the UOC now).  Its been sold as one of the relief options for those times when the Orwell Bridge is closed but is another bridge across the river not potentially also at risk of closure when we have an extreme weather event?  Of course none of us have a clue yet about exactly where and what this now bridge will look like so it maybe something that would never be affected by wind.  And on another point given how windy it was on Thursday and the fact that such winds can also blow over a high side vehicle on a normal road is it not then somewhat irresponsible to have queues of high sided vehicles all backed up across the residential streets of Ipswich along routes also used by children going to and from schools? Is that not a  risk too far? Is it not totally irresponsible of SCC and the Highways Agency to put Ipswich children at such risk?

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    You mean like the following examples @ Ground level (naturally various different altitudes/sea level) ?

    Closing J56 Wherstead on Thursday was deliberate, however, this is the main feeder to the Upper Orwell Crossing on the western side! Likewise with J57 Nacton on the eastern side… they had to ensure Nacton Road and Landseer Road wasn’t gridlocked… this goes to prove (from comparison to the previous incident 3 months ago) that the Upper Orwell Crossing won’t work.

    The better planning (still made a pigs ear out of it) of a diversion route helped in some way as they specifically bypassed the roads which categorically cannot handle the demand from the traffic, which happens to be (like I just said) the roads connecting either side to the Upper Orwell Crossing.

    Ben Gummer and Highways England probably thought this was a clever way to avoid criticism of the Upper Orwell Crossing route designed to take 10% of the traffic off the A14 (TEN-T) by not highlighting the flaws (using Star Lane gyratory for now instead of the bridge which would have only been ~2% less effective than a Wet Dock Crossing), however, those that found the traffic moved slightly better this time would be conscious that the Upper Orwell Crossing route of not being adequate having relied on the wrong roads last time.

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    Latest update on Suffolk County Council FOI request regarding Northern Bypass.

    An unknown person named “Becky” has upheld the original decision. The response seemed like it had been quickly undertaken this morning, the response contained many templated features which made no sense…

    Accordingly, I believe the Council met the requirements of the legislation
    and provided all information it held in response to your request.

    Accordingly, I believe that the Council partially met the requirements of
    the legislation in response to your request and offer our apologies.
    Please find attached the remaining information that should have been sent
    to you.

    Accordingly, I believe that the Council did not meet the requirements of
    the legislation in response to your request and offer our apologies.
    Please find attached the requested information that should have been sent
    to you.

    The first accordingly, clearly states they provided all information they hold… yet they are refusing (and uphelding that decision) the request because they see it as a) not in the public interest (I have since proven that it is) and b) impossible to undertake with so much information? They have provided neither but did link to public information which was released since the initial request was made.

    The latter accordinglys,  talks about attached information – no attachments exist – all in all a very poor response.

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    Our follow up response…

    Dear Becky Information Management Services,

    We are very disappointed but not entirely surprised by your response.

    We will make sure this is widely distributed to highlight Suffolk County Councils attitude pre-election and will most certainly communicate to the people of Greater Ipswich that is either calling for a Northern Bypass (some since the 1990s), disappointed by Travel Ipswich (which is still to be completed) or concerned about lack of road upgrades in the town despite significant housing projects going ahead, that a Unitary Authority alternative exists.

    Completely independent to Northern Bypass Ltd, Orwell Ahead …http://www.orwellahead.co.uk/#reform-suf

    Ipswich doesn’t need an anti-Ipswich organisation destroying the town any longer.

    We will be referring this to the Information Commissioner. The above notes are for the local public.

    Yours sincerely,

    Northern Bypass Ltd

    I know it comes across very unprofessional but it influence voters… and there is an local election coming up!

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    Accordingly!! Just another load of gobbledygook in my estimation — and perhaps another attempt to put us off our quest — our demand for a NBP — what would have been wrong in Matt answering your questions? — the more this go’es on the more I am becoming agitated — why won’t the SCC rejoin this debate — would anyone like me to get in touch with him/Matt to extend him the invention to join us once again — on the conditions that we understand that he is not allowed to partake in discussing or giving his views —

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    Well we knew they wouldn’t answer after they declined the previous request. We just have to follow the procedure anyhow.

    The request on all information relating to a Northern Bypass should be public information. The fact we asked for information from 2010 means we do not refer to the 1990 plans and correspondence …and the lack of a proper proposal (see below) means there cannot be that much information held on a Northern Bypass (compared to a planned project like the Northern Distributor Road in Norwich… “In order to gather the information that you have requested we would need to retrieve 100,000s of records, which would be impracticable.“) I get the impression Suffolk County Council read this FOI and used the same reasons.

    There is no Suffolk County Council proposal for a Northern Bypass for Ipswich and hence no correspondence relating to such a proposal.

    So on one hand they are saying there is no correspondence relating to that term and when broken down wider of that phrase, they say it is unreasonable and too costly to retrieve! Someone at Suffolk County Council thinks by unlawfully withholding the information on a Northern Bypass that the campaign for a Northern Bypass is over, dead in the water… when actually it is in parallel.

    In March, getting more proactive on both a Northern Bypass and a Unitary Authority. The information commissioner will take months (closer to a year) to obtain any information if lucky; Suffolk County Council may end up with a fine. As this information is politically sensitive – the ICO might not be impartial. Either way, the information is just “nice to know” and makes little difference in reality.

    Suffolk County Council’s involvement with the A12 four village bypass is an own goal. For a few hundred people, we are talking tens of millions of pounds, likely to be £90m at least… yet they don’t want this for the Greater Ipswich area (yes, it benefits Kesgrave, Felixstowe and Martlesham etc as well) for over a hundred of thousand people. It isn’t over yet…

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    Received information of a Freedom of Information request on the Orwell Bridge Summit. This was the January “Orwell Bridge Closure Workshop”.

    Instead of a 2 hour meeting, they stretched it out to 4 hours with lunch.

    Ben Gummer (MP), Tim Passmore (PCC), John Dugmore (CEO Chamber), Terry Baxter (Chairman, Ipswich Central), Brian Read (ABP), Jerry Coleman (ABP) and Graeme Mateer (Transport Policy Specialist at Suffolk County Council), along with a few others, sent their apologies.

    Clearly those who favoured an Upper Orwell Crossing boycotted the meeting, a bit more than a coincidence. Tim Passmore seemed keen on a solution didn’t turn up despite £70k public funded salary…

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    Sorry to harp back regarding the wet dock crossing/upper Orwell bridges — the dirty old docks was transformed into a very decent yacht mariner and water front — but they have been warned that yacht owners with fixed 80ft masts would be leaving should they not be able to get out or under a bridge that was too low — A bridge too Far — what ever happens this is going to add to the traffic mayhem that Ipswich town already suffer with.

    The Orwell bridge closure workshop 13 people failed to attend — Tim Passmore — Ben Gummer being two of them why? — in the IBC council tax information 2017/18 leaflet sent with the new council tax bill — Colin Noble rubbing his hands with glee at having secured £150m of government funding to deliver the much needed Upper Orwell crossings — do this mean that they have finally decided what kind of bridge we are having I doubt it — and that is after taking four hours to do two hours work — dont forget the poor devils got hungry and had to stop for lunch — but do not forget they want 15yrs to sort out the NBP — my backside!!

    David Ellesmere — same leaflet boasting how good Ipswich is doing saying that it will cost the council more than £12m over the next four years Etc Etc — I say to all concerned get your fingers out and give us a NBP within five years not 15yrs — if not it is going to cost Ipswich dear — just for once get ahead of the game — Northern Fringe and NBP construct together — I expect it will more than four hours to come to a decision. — but after all lunch is included,
    what the hell are we paying you for????

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    I don’t really care too much about the marina. The collection of yachts is impressive but it is seen as a primary motivation into overcharging at bars, restaurants and cafes and is victim to students roaming around the area blight out any last drop of an area I want to be at. It is exactly the same reason why I avoid the town centre as much as possible in school holidays.

    It has the New York effect but on a much smaller scale… the skyscrapers there make people feel empowered… likewise, these expensive yachts moored in the marinas at Ipswich Waterfront make certain people feel important and like they are a millionaire! But they eat pizza or drink beer just like they could in the town centre!

    Ipswich Maritime Trust must hold a lot of blame. Ipswich Star wrongly publicised that they were against the Upper Orwell Crossings; however, actually they are in favour but just want to ensure as many yachts can get through without the bridge needing to open. The IMT should be saying no to protect the area in my opinion. If the Upper Orwell Crossing does kill off the marinas… the IMT needs to be dissolved.

    Well, the NBP clearly isn’t a priority… Ben Gummer’s name was bounced around in emails and this was the main attraction to encourage those that turned up, to turn up! Him deciding lunch in London was more important says a lot.

    David Ellesmere is a complete ****. He is only interested in party politics and Labour. The borough is in problems, bitten off far more than they can chew and are pushing up car parking prices. Before you know it, more will be going up. It is obvious, the Labour administration will run the borough council into the ground, Conservatives will get in next term and have to make cut-backs to sort the problem out. I bet David is praying for a recession as an excuse. Elsewhere overall Ipswich still has the consistent decline… in everything other than crime!

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    just rubbing the salt into the wounds a bit on BBC East this morning with an item on the Norwich Northern Distributor Road, currently on time and on budget.  12.5 miles of dual carriageway around the north of the city (all for £178.5m). Almost exactly what Ipswich needs, and I dare say needs as badly as Norwich did! They never had the bottle neck to the South that is the Orwell bridge, they don’t have a huge container port to the East, etc etc, etc..

    and look, what’s this? They are going to build a “new eco town” after the road is complete! Exactly the opposite of what’s being planned here with the Northern Fringe then… (despite the promises of SCC, IBC and B Gummer at various times)

     

     

     

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    I'm really quite cross now, so watch out!

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    Norwich is the victor when it comes to Ipswich.

    Too few people have a lot of control over Ipswich – what I don’t understand is, although clearly neither of these people are poor, neither are actually rolling in it. Why not?

    Perhaps it is time for Adastral Park to be flatten for housing?

    Perhaps Felixstowe Port should be scaled back allowing the London Docklands etc. to take over?

    Perhaps Ipswich should completely do away with a retail town centre and just have the small market three times a week?

    Perhaps Neptune Marina etc. at Ipswich Waterfront should be shut and yachts relocated at other marinas?

    Perhaps any ambitions of Suffolk having a successful university should be forgotten about with an instant closure allowing students to do what they have always been doing for decades and centuries… which is going to other universities!?

    When drawing comparisons with Norwich you have to be aware:-

    • Norwich is an ancient city; Ipswich is an ancient town
    • Ipswich should have had a university the same time Norwich had one
    • It is a centralised hub as nothing else in Norfolk; in Suffolk we have Bury St Edmunds, Lowestoft and Felixstowe competing
    • Norwich has room to expand; Ipswich is constrained with historical boundaries
    • Norfolk County Council loves Norwich; Suffolk County Council is anti-Ipswich
    • Even if Ipswich became a city, the same people we have today would be running it into the ground; and people from the county won’t be reliant on it as a central hub

    The Norwich Northern Distributor Road isn’t too dissimilar to plans for Ipswich – both with the Northern Bypass of a very similar length and we were due a new railway station to coincide with the Martlesham Adastral Park housing development. Not to forget the Northern Fringe development.

    If anything, the Upper Orwell Crossing project (which wasn’t always plain sailing as they couldn’t fund it from waterfront developments) just goes to show if our politicians have their hearts set on an idea – no matter how stupid – funding can be obtained. The same goes for Travel Ipswich! I should point out that although the vast majority of funding is from central government quite a significant amount is coming from Suffolk County Council etc. but as they are also Tory at this moment in time so all looks rosy. Political networking on steroids.

    The reason why the Northern Bypass keeps get putting back and no funding package has been obtained is the elite few have decided we aren’t having one! What on earth the people of Ipswich are doing electing and reelecting Gummer Junior, I do not know!

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    “What on earth the people of Ipswich are doing electing and reelecting Gummer Junior, I do not know!”

    That’s a no brainer to explain; just look at the alternatives we were presented with, one of whom you have made some rather derogatory comments about very recently !

     

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    I was thinking a bit wider scope but Labour must have been desperate to field the council leader… I am sure they could have found another candidate. You know, even a random person off the street!

    The same goes in respect to independents – surely someone could have stood?

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    I recall when the Star wanted to interview all the candidates, the lib dem candidate, who was from cambridge iirc, was too busy to attend, not a good sign that… I’m still amazed that having been rejected by the electorate the labour candidate was then able to carry on as council leader,

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