Ipswich Northern Bypass Nbp Part 6

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  1. Ipswich

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    Introducing Part 6 of the Northern Bypass conversation.

    Links to Parts 1-5 are as follows:-
    Momentum is growing...
    • Northern Route study
    • New MP (against Upper Orwell Crossings; for a Northern Route)
    • Campaign more organised
    • Plenty of developments behind the scenes (revealed in due course)
    • Unitary Authority case improving - both East and West of the county are forming as East Suffolk and West Suffolk respectively.
     
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  3. dan5

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    As stated elsewhere, the council gods have been messing about with their new computer controlled traffic light system and it has messed up traffic flow from what I can see.

    I am sure they will blame it on the summer holidays for extra peak of traffic...

    This may play into our hands... I don't doubt this is deliberate by Suffolk County Council to sell the Upper Orwell Crossings... however, it can only prove Ipswich needs a Northern Bypass.
     
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    Ipswich Star -- Orwell bridge inspection etc etc
    15:37 05 Aug 2017 -- Richard Cornwell -- more sleepless nights for some -- check it out -- just another reason why we need a NBP
     
  5. dan5

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    Indeed...

    To spell it out clearer... A14 J55 (Copdock Interchange - which is overcapacity and already struggles) the A1214 being London Road, Yarmouth Road and the rest of the old bypass... A1189 (old Ipswich East bypass, extension to the bypass around the top of town) is Heath Road and Bixley Road, and A1156 Felixstowe Road. The existing road network really struggles.

    I notice they aren't using the Upper Orwell Crossing route (Wherstead Road from A14 J56 (then Star Lane gyratory and then Duke Street) on to Landseer Road and Nacton Road). Perhaps they should try it?
     
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    If memory serves me correctly Martin is writing to Sandy Martin MP regarding the position of the NBP -- my MP is Dan Poulter and I have written to him asking for his support -- if I get a reply I will be informing all on here -- please bear in mind that I have emailed him on a number of occasions and have never had a reply -- fingers crossed this time
     
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    • dan5

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      I wonder if touring the villages (perhaps with both MPs in-tow) would be a good idea.

      An early backlash could be very counter-productive. Although we don't know about support. Up there is a lot of AB social grade workers who would benefit the most from a Northern Bypass.

      (With the Sizewell C stuff a few villages are supporting a bypass around their villages... yes, to stop the traffic going directly through but the bypass is likely to be much larger roads. )

      One of the main issues about an NBP is there is no official route map so people can (wrongly) expect it might literally go past outside their house! For the vast majority, they wouldn't experience any downsides.
       
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      Traffic generally around town very light currently it seems, school hols of course, so less school runs and lots of people on holiday. The Colchester Road/Valley Road is running pretty well in the mornings currently.

      On the subject of the traffic lights my better half reports that busses in the morning to the east of Ipswich are generally running better now, less hold ups, at lights such as at bottom of Grove Lane/Warwick Road, and from my experience heading North up Waterworks Street again traffic flows a lot better than it did before all the works, so we between us can see some small improvements due to Travel Ipswich.

      Mr Martin is on my list for a chase up. I've enjoyed all his holiday tweets from Scotland but now i want to hear some positive news from him on the NBP...!
       
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      Improvements down to Travel Ipswich?! Great to hear! This has been long overdue. (Hopefully the improvements aren't down to the absence of their roadworks)

      I think it is important to realise the lower levels of traffic due to school holidays. I am glad they haven't completely messed up the signals. The Real Time Passenger Information (RTPI) is supposed to be linked to the new computer system running the traffic lights... it is possible the vehicle size and/or bus schedule are factors for this. It is the 21st century so a solution should work with the technology available. It might of course just be an improvement where their algorithm/setup works.

      (They spent a great deal laying fibre optic cables which are overkill for the application - you could have simply connected it up to domestic fibre (with the fail-safe with lost internet connection of last known configuration) under a business package - so I expect to see traffic cams or speed cameras implemented particularly in out of town areas... perhaps to catch red light jumpers)

      I have to say I am basing my experiences around the A1214 London Road and associated junctions and Handford Road which appears not to work. Perhaps there are tweaks they can do. The midsection near the fuel stations between Yarmouth Road and Ranelagh Road junctions just isn't fit for purpose. They messed about with the lanes which is certainly a factor but it just cannot accommodate enough traffic capacity from the surrounding roads.

      Surprised about Waterworks Street flowing better. Various suggestions for improving the road problems in that area of town would include scrapping the bus lane on St Helens Street. They should trial closing it for a week... I think public transport would notice the improvement too. Except it goes against their rhetoric of people having to use public transport!

      Yes, some nice photos. I am not sure how his talks with the Department for Transport went. The difficult element is he has said he wants to keep the two smaller bridges... I am not sure if he is smarter than anyone really gives him credit for... SCC's contribution in the Upper Orwell Crossing could clearly cover those two smaller bridges... is he calling their bluff? He knows the island site isn't likely to happen... and the business case is exaggerated. I think his break is well deserved... he hasn't been in the job long (although he has worked hard as a councillor for decades) but must be stressed out from the Tories.

      The county Conservatives won't stop until the bridge is built and I haven't seen any signs in Mr Martin giving in. The outward vice-chancellor Richard Lister of the University of Suffolk has been plugging support for the bridge in the last couple of weeks. Which hasn't helped matters. Even Paul West is coming out to talk about the vanity bridge... same old nonsense Ben Gummer and Colin Noble was saying... hinting we will get both. What we need is a Northern Bypass!!!
       
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      Mr Martin still on his holidays according to Twitter, so no point asking him anything currently.
       
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      I have been receiving Colin Noble's blogs -- am I the only one? -- they are of the - 11th of July - the 26th of July and Aug the 8th -- all the wonderful things that they are going to do -- or hope to achieve -- but not one word about Ipswich or the NBP that we need -- is it worth while for me to write him a letter and try to find out where he and the SCC now stand regarding a NBP. -- or should I wait until I get a reply from Dan Puolter?
       
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        Go for it! Dan Poulter may never reply.

        I will be very interested the response you receive. Whether it varies much from the material given out in the press etc.

        Are the trio (Ben Gummer, Colin Noble, Paul West) joined at the hip or just using the same template?
         
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        where might we find these Colin Noble blogs?
         
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        Sorry to do this (help out...)

        EADT – A new weekly column

        This is Colin Noble for you... I will give a preview (notice he uses the word "new" also..)

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        (I checked, it is August 2017...)

        Notice anything specific jumping out at you?! The whole blog is of the same sort...
         
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        I went on Google typed in -- askcolinnoble -- Page came up -- Suffolk County Councillors "Our Priorities" -- on the right hand one can sign in to receive blogs --
        On my laptop, I have Primary - Social - Promotions -- the blogs always come up under Social -- hopes this helps -- hope you are enjoying your hols
         
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        I read the SCC priorities document... it is a politically-charged Suffolk Conservative manifesto.

        Quite colourful - not too boring - but it isn't the document you would expect from a county council - pretty poor. A town or parish council under a district council producing something similar would be impressive. For the highest tier of local government for Suffolk (or any county)... I would expect far better with the named priorities.

        Such a weak document - more of the same old - I would say "easily identified areas" rather than "priorities"...
         
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        It is harder to post on here than it is to herd livestock over the Orwell bridge -- which is going to be closed to traffic a few hours a week to allow this to happen -- what a load of old BULL ---- At least when we get a NBP they can keep the bridge open and herd the livestock down there
         
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        you guys need to head out of town to the east and north and see the works in progress for the wind farm cable route. Its a huge swath of countryside, fenced off across the fields in some places, others a clear strip across the rolling countryside disappearing off into the distance. You can see it crossing many of the roads now. Anyone know a cheap asphalt gang? I reckon if we sneak in at night and black top it we have the bypass sorted....
        I really cannot believe that no one anywhere seems to have considered taking some sort of view on using this work as a springboard for the bypass, or a trial of a route, or the opportunity to do soil sampling etc.. Its complete madness. Who actually approved this work and the route? Can we assume it all had to be done through SCC and did the developer pay for all SCCs time etc?
        Its actually better than any of our NBP projections as its clearly evident coming down east of the town between Hemley and Newbourne so avoiding Martlesham etc. I need to go look the route up again...
         
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          It really angers me for two parts...
          1. Work is going on which could be used to build the Northern Bypass*
          2. Those NIMBY villagers don't seem bothered by it all**
          *The windfarm cables could be placed either side of the road and in the central reservation. It would close the Northern Bypass (in whole or part) if the cables need replacing or upgrading... but the alternative is what we have now.
          ** No complaints about a road being built and the works to stick this cabling in

          I did mention the wind cable route to Sandy when I met him all that time ago - I think he is sold on his route which is far better than what the county is planning to give us.

          Remembering the plans I saw last, the entire route is having a two lorry-width lane through it and I believe will be asphalt. The margins either side of the windfarm cable is enormous - between 55m and 75m. Probably adequate for a dual carriageway Northern Bypass!

          A little mashup...
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          Above is the Norwich Northern Distributor Road (NDR) - I had (badly) drawn a line for the future A47 expansion to Easton that is inevitable. I also drew a line to the east of the A47. Just below is the wind farm route part of a £2.5 billion route.

          It is totally appalling how they haven't linked these two projects together (Northern Bypass and Windfarm cable).

          As always Ipswich Star is silent... if Geater simply said "I don't see why they couldn't simply build a northern bypass on the land where the east anglia one cable is going, kill two birds with one stone..." it might provoke a reaction from the public.

          Of course, everyone is distracted by the vanity bridge (and Cornhill Redevelopment project)... is the vanity bridge really a white elephant? Not just to distract focus away from the Northern Bypass for now, but so this cabling project can go ahead unnoticed?
           
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          Sorry should have read £2.5 billion project.

          The windfarm cabling project was our last chance of a Northern Bypass built within any reasonable time frame. Maybe this is why SCC refused to reveal their NBP plans as they didn't want to reveal this link? :mad:
           
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          I am going to take Martins advice -- I have an easy day Friday -- will be taking a gander at these earth works -- from what I am hearing the NBP route could surely be incorporated along the same line so to speak -- why is the SCC keeping tight lipped I wonder? -- are they up to their old tricks and protecting the NIMBY'S -- I would not mind betting the Gummer family are bopping down behind the hedgerows laughing their heads off.
           
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          I will most definitely be checking out the works that have been going on at some stage. Armed with a camera!

          It should have been a project that Suffolk CC was involved with... not only could we have got a Northern Bypass but Felixstowe could have an additional route in and out... a fail-safe if the A14 is ever closed and a Woodbridge 'bypass' for the (South East) Suffolk Coast. Why not have the Vanity Bridge over the River Deben? Ironically the person who axed the Northern Bypass is named after the river.
           
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          in fairness the cable route does not of course need any bridges or underpasses at existing roads, I guess it can pretty much follows the contours of the land without embankments or cuttings, but bugger me if it doesn't take up a great swath of land now and would I suspect make any unsuspecting tourist in the area assume a road was being built. It does pretty much seem to be in progress along a great deal of the route all at once, they are not just starting at one end and working along to the other.
           
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          They are constructing 3 tunnels for it. I assume that doesn't include road access but just tunnels for the cables themselves.

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          One tunnel appears to go under the A14, one tunnel at Martlesham (Martlesham Creek) and one tunnel underneath the Deben. I assume the yellow dots are the main points at which they will be working.
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          Well, as it will include a wide service road I think they will need to cut into land etc. as you can see the route isn't linear so they have obviously went for the sensible option of negotiating the easiest path. I did read in the documents somewhere that they might built temporary bridges...

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          If I am reading the above correctly the widths are anything from 25 metres to 160 metres (typically 55 metres).

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          Image of an inspection site (survey).
           
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          Ah, found it after searching so long and hard for it... was on NBP part 4!

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          With added mockup of a possible NBP... you could comfortably include trees and the like either side to dampen noise and make it look prettier. Carriageways could be closer etc. and obviously depending on landscape could be separate with some margin to close together when needed to be etc.
           
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          Been very busy -- I did take Martins advice and last Friday I did take a ride up the Tuddenham road also the Westerfield road, Martin's observations of the wide swaths of the earth works is true, as far as I could judge somewhere about 200yrds, or wider -- a good chance of constructing a NBP along the same line's have been missed or dare I say deliberately ignored by the SCC. and so called Ipswich MPs who are supposed to represent Ipswich -- by the way I still have not heard or had any acknowledgment of my letter to Dan Poulter -- can not understand why all have gone silent regarding our quest for a NBP -- they must be thinking that we have given up.
           
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